I have been critical of Texas... often. Usually they are a lot like Florida because it seems all of the shit of the USA rolled down hill and filled up those two states. Today however my hat goes off to the University of Texas Atheist Group in San Antonio. They had a campaign to bring your Bible and trade it for some porn. BEEE YOOO TA FULL!

Now before hitting me with your hate comments let me advise you to go read your Bible. No really, I'll wait. The Bible is one of the nastiest pieces of filth I have ever seen, well besides the thing with the Japanese folks in the bath tub... never mind.

This is exactly the kind of attention that should be given religion in general. I am so happy! Someone pinch me!

(Awesome.  I love this kind of stuff. - promoted by leftake)

I called his Red Phone! Don't ask me how I got the number, just know I have sources. Can you believe this outrage?  I am about to spit I am so mad. Well I guess you can just call me NERGAL!

Watch the video VERY closely. How did he know about this blog? The folks on it?  Just how powerful is Fox?!!!

Stupid evil Beck!

Texas usually can give us a big indication of what is wrong with our nation. From trying to teach Creationist drivel in science books to their vociferous threats to cede from the Union, their ignorance is usually displayed in full parade regalia. Below is a story that I picked up from a friend on Facebook. While I do not see the appeal of the "swinger" lifestyle, I certainly do no condemn it. It just isn't for me.

This story is about a Christian group in Amarillo Texas and their targeting of a 100% legal event that happens there. The meat of the story is this. There is a group of swingers that meet at a club in Amarillo to do their thing. They have a common room for mingling and smaller rooms for "activity" They have been doing this discretely and anonymously for years. They bother no one. A group, Repent Amarillo got wind of the events and went to war. They were waiting in the parking lot with signs and voices "outing" the participants. Members of the group would take license plate numbers and as people left would call them out by name, place of residence  and such. Some even went as far as to contact employers of these people. Hard working people lost their jobs and were ostracized.

The group is run by a Security Guard at a Nuclear Bomb facility named David Grisham. They sell themselves as "We are the Special Forces of spiritual warfare, we're looking for a few good warriors." Their basic premise is anyone who is not a Christian is wrong and they intend to fix that. Below is a link to the original story and then links to information about the group. I have also included quotes from the group's web page.

I believe this is a domestic terror group. Their goal is to frighten people into submission to their will. Their tactics are evil and aggressive. As my friend on Facebook said:

"If this group were Islamic instead of Christian, every last one would be in Guantanamo right now."

The original story

Repent Amarillo otherwise known as douchbags for Christ

Hebrews 4:12
"For the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword; piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit. and of joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Ephesians 6:12
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Notice: This site is not designed for non-christians, It is designed as a recruitment tool to call certain Christians to spiritual warfare, If you are not a Christian and you want to know more about becoming a Christian consider the following Links as resources. While some of them support our efforts, and some may not, it is not about us and it is not about them. It is about Jesus Christ.
~Repent Amarillo Staff

Repent Amarillo is comprised of two groups blended together, working together, to compliment and support one another for the purpose of spiritual warfare. They are;

1. Intercessory prayer group. This group will be a group of warriors called to intercessory prayer. They will at times be visible to the public and at other times ( depending upon the individual mission) they will be inconspicuous. They will provide prayer covering to the soldier group and will do battle within the spiritual realm to prepare the ground for the planting of God's seeds, tear down demonic strongholds, and cast out demonic spirits that harass our efforts. Sometimes the intercessory prayer group will operate independently of the soldier group and at other times will work around them.

2. The Soldier group. The soldier group will consist of warriors dedicated to witnessing to groups of unbelievers or one-on-one witnessing. This group will be more visible to the public and will be comprised of bold believers willing to confront the world. This group will be schooled in the "Way of the Master" method of witnessing to the lost. This group will be the ones who plant God's seeds in the ground that has been prepared by the intercessory prayer group. Believers who participate in this group will have to be bold but loving. Confrontational but composed. The individual members of these two groups are allowed and highly encouraged to move between the two groups based on the individual's calling and the unique mission involved. In other words, no one is stuck to only one group. Soldiers can pray and intercessory members can witness.

Some of the possible missions that these two groups may be called upon to work will be some of the following:

1. Gay pride events.
2. Earth worship events such as "Earth Day"
3. Pro-abortion events or places such as Planned Parenthood
4. Breast cancer events such as "Race for the Cure" to illuminate the link between abortion and breast cancer.
5. Opening day of public schools to reach out to students.
6. Spring break events.
7. Demonically based concerts.
8. Halloween events.
9. Other events that may arise that the ministry feels called to confront.

These large events may involve both the intercessory prayer AND the soldier groups. Some of the smaller events that can be accomplished in between the larger events may be:

1. Sexually oriented businesses such as pornography shops, strip joints, and XXX-rated theaters.
2. Idolatry locations such as palm readers, false religions, and witchcraft. Many of the smaller missions listed above may be just prayer oriented missions for tearing down demonic strongholds or they may involve more aggressive use of soldiers and prayer warriors. Some other missions occasionally employed may be "undercover operations" where the groups show up together but are not publicly visible together to effect the outcome of a public meeting such as city commissioners meetings, etc.

I recently responded to a friend's post on Facebook.

"Person 2" is a father. "Person 1" is his daughter (college age), and "me" is well, me.

Original Statement: "Some things are sacred. Give a lower animal a 'self,' and before you know it, some ideological subversive will want to give it a soul." John A. Livingston, Rogue Primate, p. 98

Person 1: okay actually, i am mildly confused. context?

Person 2: To do with the ideology of scientific prejudices about animals--many scientists do not believe animals have a sense of self. They are wearing turd colored glasses of rampant speciesism.

Person 1: NOOO the ideological subversive "give it a soul" part.

Person 2: OH he's just sayng that if we give it a self someone might say they have souls too and THEN we couldn't vivisect them.

Person 1: ahhhhhhhhhhhh i see i see.

Me: I bypass the argument completely as I am quite convinced that all animals, including the human types, lack a soul. The idea of an existence separate from your body, while comforting, is without any real merit.

Person 2: SWEET! We get to vivisect Spiral115! Pass me that gigli saw.
More seriously: body and soul are two important aspects of the same thing. The notion of soul without DNA is as repulsive as the notion of DNA without soul.
Note: ain't gotta be DNA, I'll settle for crystalline structure etc. It is all god, all gots soul. But we still get to vivisect Spiral115.

Me: Not to me. I am perfectly happy with my full on 100% organic existence. The thought of having to cling to a selfish concept like a soul is repulsive.

Person 1: LOLOL oh I don't know, my soul intimidates me, it's more of a privilege with responsibilities than a selfish clinging.

Me: To me the concept of "I am so important that I must endure forever" is the height of egoism and selfishness. I think a more beautiful and elegant understanding of the universe is that we all get our time and then gracefully step aside so that life goes on. Fortunately, I am relatively sure no one will change my mind without empirical peer reviewed evidence and unfortunately I will not change anyone's mind with the VAST lack of evidence. So on this, in most cases, it is best to agree to disagree.

Person 2: lol i never said soul was immortal! couldn't care less about that

Me: :) Indeed you did not. I am just used to discussing this with folks who speak of their immortal souls. My apologies.

This got me thinking. I am an atheist and as such understand that my self awareness is a function of a brain more highly evolved towards abstract thinking. Organisms evolve due to environmental pressures and complex internal processes that you can read about in great books like "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins. The thing is that we have evolved abstract thinking because of many things. Our social structure, tool making ability, and other complex activities are all things that have contributed to our more highly developed brain function.

In nature there are many levels of brain function. We have very simple, mechanical thinking like that in simple animals like mollusks who have a cerebral ganglion. This is a pretty simple brain. Then we have pack animals who have developed complex ways of dealing with each other like wolves. On up the chain to the great apes. Every animal, including the human ones, evolve to deal with their surroundings and internal functions. We are no different in this. We have just developed a greater level of abstract thinking. This enabled us to perceive our thinking as separate from the "meat" of our existence. We came up with the concept of a soul as a way to try and deal with this new awareness and because we knew one day that we would die and are painfully aware of this we tagged the concept of immortality to the "soul".

 

You see it every day. They are gathering in angry mobs. They are perpetrating lies and half truths. They are using fear to scare people to take up pitch forks. They are painting Democrats as evil and making absurd claims about how Democrats are going to destroy 'Merica.

You see their histrionics every day. You see it exposed for the ugly thing it is. It is scary. We see a callous disregard for real Americans in real trouble. And they keep on pushing their agenda. They keep getting louder and uglier with every passing day.

Have you ever been in a situation that you put yourself into accidentally and just don't know a way out? It's uncomfortable as hell. You can get short of breath and itchy and sweaty.

I think that Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. I think they have been given enough rope to hang themselves. I think they find themselves on the gallows now and have no idea how they got there and no idea of how to get out of it.

I think they might just be feeling that uncomfortable itch at having arrived at a hanging and noticing they are the guest of honor.

(Another great one, from our friend Spiral.  Now, your humble editor/Fearless Leader is going to stay out of the PETA debate, since I'm really just getting up to speed on this, but... since we had the other PETA diary, it seems only fair to present the counter story...   - promoted by leftake)

People Executing and Trashing Animals

So we have all heard of PETA. You know those nice vegetarians who have whacky ad campaigns and dress up as packages of beef. They do it all to protect Fluffy and Spot and chickens and circus animals. They just want us to be nice. Well at least they just want us to be nice to animals. No harm no foul, right?

Well let's take a look at PETA and see what they are REALLY all about.

...they are the undercurrent of a long lived problem in the United States. Women, and especially black women have been given little control of their reproductive rights in this country. During slave times, white masters often impregnated their slaves and used the resulting children for labor.

During a brief period, black women were used as guinea pigs for doctors training to learn how to perform hysterectomies.

Another interesting source of empathy is the story of Margaret Garner a pre-civil war slave woman and the subject of Toni Morrison's book "Beloved".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

Conditions were so bad and the treatment was so cruel and dehumanizing, that this mother killed her child rather than have her grow up to be raped, worked and sold. That is how horrible slavery was. Can you imagine? Your own child is to be taken from you and sold to an old white man like Rep. Frank to be raped, and then put to work in the fields. When the child resulting from that rape is born, the master would then start the cycle again.

It is unconscionable to me that anyone could think this treatment of humans as livestock is a "better" situation than what we see today.
First, if this man is so out of touch with reality that he is not aware of the history of this nation, I question his credentials to hold office. Second, if he is aware and is just this callous, I question his humanity.

From the article below:

"In 1975, a hysterectomy cost $800 compared to a tubal ligation, giving surgeons, who were reimbursed by Medicaid, a financial incentive to perform the more extensive operation-despite its 20 times greater risk of killing the patient.

Given the history of the treatment of blacks, especially black women in this country, I think we might all agree that the Representative from Arizona's statement was at least insensitive, if not flat out racist.  I for one think it is just indicative of the racist current running through the GOP.

When I see this type of brazen callousness at the top levels of our government I am reminded that there still exists a need for affirmative action.

And one last point, since I am the resident anti-theist, these slave holders were "good' Christians for the most part.
From:
http://www.socialistaction.org...

Last night Rachel went into the fact that the "nuclear option"  rhetoric from the right is nothing more than a lie and Right wing propaganda at it's worst. The Nuclear Option in Congress was a way for Republicans to prevent an up or down vote on whether to kill the filibuster. It is commonly known in Congress as such and Republicans know it.

Now if you want to look at Reconciliation we can do that honestly. In recent years Reconciliation has been used 22 times. Of those 22 times Republicans used it 16. It is a simple matter of Congressional record.

Rachel also included in her show quotes from many of the prominent Republicans who are now squealing foul like the Corporate pigs they are, endorsing and defending Reconciliation as a perfectly fair and desirable tool to pass legislation. Apparently this tool is good only if used by Republicans.

This kind of propaganda and lying to the public is only effective if we let the lie stand. It is an insult to American citizens that these cretins would think we are too stupid to see through their obvious lies an misinformation.

Republicans are promoting a video of lies. A troll posted the video here but I will not link to his lie. Instead here is the Media Matters page discussing the obvious attempt to mislead American citizens.

http://mediamatters.org/resear...

Help us reach a million voices.

http://pol.moveon.org/virtualm...

You can send a fax and call once you provide your name, email, and zip code. It's very easy. You will probably be informed that the voice mail is full. I sent the fax though and tried to call and will keep trying. Right now the count is nearing 800, 000! Just 200,000 to go!

And I am as happy as a kid on Christmas Eve. I am full of anticipation!!! Oh think of the wonders that tomorrow might bring!!!

I am fervently hoping that he is soon where Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein,  Billy Graham, and Ronald Reagan are. Along with other scourges to humanity, I hope that it is time for him to take the eternal dirt nap, to become worm food, to cease breathing.

If I were an idiot, I'd be praying for this right now. Since I am not, I can simply wait and see. Since Santa didn't come through so many times when I was a kid, I hope I can have this!











Imagine a Better World!

UPDATE

So Old Dick had a heart attack and they stuck in another catheter. They say he is in a holding pattern. Now I know that often when they do these procedures, it can lead to infection. I am not giving up hope yet but I have to say Santa, if you don't come through for me this time you are going the same way as the tooth fairy and God.

I do keep asking myself, how do you address something that doesn't exist. Riiiggghht Dick Cheney has a heart.

UPDATE

Santa,you are dead to me. All the years of asking for something nice and trying my best to be good and you have turned your back on me again.

The Easter Bunny was the first lie revealed. My parents didn't even try too hard with this one. We'd go to the store and buy baskets, candy, eggs, a stuffed bunny and then the next day all those would be gone and we'd have Easter Baskets left by a benevolent bunny to celebrate a bloody human sacrifice. C'mon mom, even a tiny child's mind is smarter than that! Who would celebrate such a gruesome event!.

Then it was the tooth fairy. I have to admit you guys did better here. I just happened to wake up one night and find out the horrible truth. This would have been nice though. It didn't involve some horrible belief in a monstrous deity that would sacrifice humans.

Your turn God.

Unlike the other two the only "evidence" I was given for you is a book that I found too repugnant for children. It advocates the most heinous crimes and indignities. Fail.

But Santa! All the evidence! The presets, the jingling of bells on the roof, The cookies being gone in the morning. Sure the presents were not that great sometimes, and there were many that you flat out ignored when I exhibited my best behavior. I never got that pony. What about the GI Joe Glider?  And this was the one last thing I was hoping you could do to make it all up. I mean Dick Cheney is an evil man. You have all that frozen tundra up there (admittedly that's shrinking) where you could stash the body. How easy would it be for you to slip into the hospital with your sack and a couple anti-gravity lifts for the enormous weight, stuff ole' Dicky inside and be outta there in your sleigh! But Santa, I am now convinced that even though there is way more evidence for you than these other jokers, that you too are a lie.

All Dead!

If you have been on this site for any time you know that I am an atheist. Actually you know I am an "anti-theist" in that I believe that religion is harmful to society. I have gone to great lengths talking about this and if you care to know more about that please visit my profile and read up on it before asking me to explain things further. I have spent many many hours writing about how dangerous religion is and why it should be kept as far away from government as possible.If you ask me questions I have already answered I will point you to my profile.

OK now to the meat of the subject at hand. Many anti-theists have posited the idea that religion is harmful to us.The dogma and the type of thinking it induces is sited as the source for much bad behavior in the world. When I would say this folks asked me for my proof and I went to great lengths to present examples throughout history to support my statement. No I have one more exceptionally damning piece of evidence. Watch this video.

And read the full study here:

http://www.epjournal.net/files...

Basically this study shows that there is a STRONG correlation between strong religiosity and bad behavior. Actually that's putting it mildly. This paints a very interesting picture considering Bush's expressed deep religious convictions and the misdeeds of his administration such as chronically misleading the American people. The idea that torture is acceptable. It is disturbing also considering people like Sarah Palin are spoken of in reference for a run for the highest office in the land.

My already deeply held conviction that religion is a danger and will ultimately lead to the demise of civilization is strengthened by this study. It has been reviewed for it's veracity scientifically and it holds up so far. Of course it will need to be peer reviewed, but I am not too concerned of it failing the acid test.

Here is a quote from the study about the results. This iin light that the US if the most religious of all the Democracies examined.

This study's uniquely broad based comparison of socioeconomic conditions in the most prosperous democracies confirms that they vary widely among these nations, and that the U.S. is the most dysfunctional prosperous democracy overall.

Here are links to many of the diaries I have written on the subject of the nature of religious belief and the threat it poses to our planet and our country. There many more.

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/1...

http://www.leftake.com/diary/8...

So we elected a President a little over a year ago. He rode into town on a horse called change. To his credit he immediately started work on that idea. Here's just one site listing some of the changes. You can find more if you look, they are out there.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What...

Now he can change a lot of things by executive order and many of those that he said he would, he did. But the fact of the matter is that change often requires the participation of the opposing party, what we have come to call "the Party of No". The Republicans have earned this title. The President came up with a budget and the Republicans screeched foul! They could do it better! The President asked them for their ideas and gave them plenty of time to come up with some. Here is the result.

http://vodpod.com/watch/146912...

This has become the norm from Republicans. This budget was a joke.

The President has asked Republicans to participate in the health care debate and they are yet to deliver. Instead they call foul and use distraction. They talk death panels. Daily, they prove to be bereft of ideas.

Sound familiar? Conservatives come to this site and talk about how evil liberals are. They call names. They ask us to explain our ideas and reasons. They ask us to back these up. We do all of these things. When we simply ask the same from them it is exactly like the Republicans in Washington. Distraction, name calling, straw men, unprovoked ad hominem attacks and fear mongering is how they answer our questions. Of course there are exceptions. Just like there are liberals who I do not agree with. But it really is the same from the top all the way down to the bottom of their party.

They know that lies and distractions have worked in the past, so they keep doing it. They are not paying attention to the fact that many of us are at the end of our ropes with this type of behavior. Apparently the President is as well. He is starting to put his foot down and back them into a corner. The reason the Republicans referred to the coming health care summit that they were invited to as a trap, is that they know they have no ideas and haven't really even bothered to work on anything real. Why? They are happy with the status quo. They want their corporate friends to keep making their millions and keep giving them a kick back. Does this make them bad people? Yes

Now look at the pattern of the individuals who come here. They follow their leaders. Does this make them bad people? Yeah, probably, That's why when folks come here from now on claiming some moral high ground or superior stance, we all need to call them out. We all need to press the issue. And we do.

I am just glad that the Democrats in Washington are finally starting to follow our lead!

I know a lot of you are scratching your heads and wondering when this guy was interviewed on FOX or if Rachel quietly ripped him a new one. It's understandable. We talk a lot about the folks front and center all the time. We even go back in history and talk about Reagan or Roosevelt. But who the hell is George Creel?

Last week we talked a bit about how much modern "news" wasn't so much news as gossip.  Well here is the headline that just greeted me.

Live From Washington! It's Obama health care drama
AP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...

WASHINGTON - Coming soon to daytime television: America's long-running civic drama over how to provide better health care to more of its people without breaking the bank.

It's amazing how much of a side show the "news" has become.
I the President's adress this weekend, he mentions how her doesn't want this to become a media side show, so what the AP does is immediately try to turn it into a side show. Fucking "news".

Please watch the President's address that Left Take has posted. Now that's a President I can get behind.

There are signs of life in the Democratic Party. There is real reason to hope and be involved in this fight. Congressman Barney Sanders says that we could have meaningful reform and Dems are thinking of including increases to educational funding as well.

Obama says health care overhaul imperative

Associated Press

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...

HENDERSON, Nev. - President Barack Obama says Washington can't squander the opportunity to overhaul the health care system.
Addressing a town hall in Nevada, Obama defended the Democratic bills that have passed in Congress and argued that the nation's economic woes require immediate action.
The president spoke just days before his bipartisan health summit set for Thursday. He said he was awaiting the Republican proposal to address the increasing number of uninsured and rising medical costs and dared them to put it on the table.
He acknowledged that his yearlong quest to reform the system has cost him politically and also undercut the standing of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who joined Obama at the event.

What can you do?

http://www.moveon.org/virtualm...

http://act.boldprogressives.or...

All the nice people can stop reading now. You know who you are.  Really this isn't for you. Take this time to go call your Senator and urge them to Sign onto Michael Bennet's letter to get Harry Reid to pass Health Care with a Public Option through reconciliation.

http://act.boldprogressives.or...

Now, this is for Republicants. You know who you are. The JZs, NNs, LMFAOs, and JOHNNYCATTs. Any new Republicants can use the site search feature to check out these asshats. You come here and spout the exact same horseshit. None of you have an original thought apparently. Do they hand out little booklets at your brain washing events that give you scripts to follow? Is your secret tea laced with mind control drugs? You people are pathetic. You are like monkeys flinging poo. You come here and grunt and screech and then fling poo at the wall to see what sticks. You then scamper back off into the underbrush to pick each other's asses, while we respond intelligently to your crap.

We beg you to back up your outrageous claims and you run back into the clearing and hurl a new set of excrement while totally ignoring our questions. Then it's back into the underbrush with you. We then disprove and/or debunk your claims and write at length to try and get you to see the truth or at least a different point of view. Hell occasionally we will concede a point to you (if people see Jesus on a toilet seat, why can't we see a glimmer of information in your excrement?). Then you run back into the clearing, and having excreted all you can for a while you stick up an insulting picture next to your poo to try and zing us. We shake our heads and ponder the workings of evolution while you peek out from behind the bushes wiping spittle off your lower lips and emit chortling grunts.

Well, we are tired of it. We try to engage you, but apparently our higher cognitive powers are wasted on you. This is our sunny little clearing. We like the light here. We enjoy the company of our fellow more highly evolved primates. We are tired of the ass picking, poo slinging Baboons coming here and not even trying to respect the rules. So here is a warning, and I am speaking for myself only right now, grow the fuck up or fuck off. You will get a couple of chances to come here and act like evolution has done a little work on you. After that, if you still don't get it and cannot participate intelligently, I am trolling you. You will be rated "troll" until you disappear back into your dark recesses and we don't have to be bothered by you again. You have been warned.

And... may I say... welcome to the site.

Large Mother Fucking Ass Opening

Thanks for revealing what your Acronym means!

Apparently it has become a pass time of certain extreme right wing persons to come here and spout their views and run. They are generally unable to support their claims, choosing rather to call others liars, socialists, communists, evil, etc... without anything to back it up. Often they show no understanding of the terminology itself.

Our latest Republicant is LMFAO and he is a perfect example of how to fail completely.

Here is the original content I was referencing. LMFAO deleted and replaced it:

Blog Roll

I rest my case (+)
by: lmfao
February 13, 2010 2:02 PM
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Find your comment dipshit! I ERASED IT!!!
BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY

The quality of your logic is about the same as the quality of McDonald's beef and about as substantive.
Really, go ahead. Ask the folks who run the site if you can delete a comment. Also check things out Hitler was a Christian until the day he died. If your little make believe fairy land is true you'll be sharing eternity with him. Then you can ask him directly about his beliefs. As we have seen here though, you won't believe anything that doesn't fit you narrow little world view. You are pathetic.
AFTER FAULTGUY GETS FINISHED ANSWERING MY QUESTION I WILL SAVE THE GUTS OF THE DAIRY IN NOTEPAD, DELETE THE DAIRY AND THEN REPOST THE THE DAIRY UNDER THE SAME NAME... EFFECTIVELY DELETING THE COMMENTS... OR I COULD JUST DO LIKE THE COWARD SPIRAL DOES AND DELETE THE DIARY AND SWEAR UP AND DOWN THAT I NEVER POSTED IT... WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT OLD ATHEIST LIAR?  
Now that I proved him a liar again, bacK to my question for faultguy1  

Do you think you represent the average liberal politically? 
 I went back over your comments to get an idea of what your political viewpoints are, and was not so surprised when I read that you are an admitted Marxist. You also proudly announce to the world that you are a socialist.  
If you are the average liberal then doesn't that make Glenn Beck right when he says that progressives are nothing more than a bunch of Marxist and socialist trying to change America to fit their perverted political viewpoint?
 Can you answers this question intelligently or are you going to dodge it by arguing semantics?  
Don't bother erasing your comments!
I copied and made a record of you comments and replies. After my dealings with that atheist saying he was raised Catholic then deleting his old comments before lying about what he said, it didn't take me long to learn that blatantly lying is an acceptable form of debate with liberals. Or at least atheist!  
Here is the question again!
If you are the average liberal then doesn't that make Glenn Beck right when he says that progressives are nothing more than a bunch of Marxist and socialist trying to change America to fit their perverted political viewpoint?
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by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:12 PM
with this one you make even less sense than usual. You should probably seek professional help.
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There was no proving anyone a liar.
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woa what the hell?
by: faultguyFebruary 13, 2010 3:00 PM
I responded to a diary that doesn't exist anymore.  Ok...
So what's the point of responding to this one if you'll just pull the plug on it?
Ohhhh...I get it.  You're making a point.  You're all peeved that your comments are getting hidden, so you're making others know how it feels.
Well, if you had done research on me, you would have noticed that I've been one of the few on this site who has been adamant about not zero-ing out neo-con comments (I will find my comments on this matter if you don't believe me).
Now to answer your question, again...
I do not feel that I am the "average" liberal.  I hold both conservative and liberal views.  However, I would say, using Hannity-type terms, I'm "center-left".
Socialism is just my economic philosophy.  Not my political one.  I will vote for whoever will do the best job.  Not just whoever the Democratic party nominates.  Hence, my vote for Bob Barr in the last election.  I don't just bitch about changing Washington.  I actually use my vote in that manner!
There's more that needs to be said on this subject, but I'm getting off point.
I would say that others on this site represent the "average liberal" much better than I do in terms of their politics.  So you are barking up the wrong tree with me.
But I'll bite - sans semantics.
What I do is no different than what Glenn Beck does - we both want to see a country that fits our ideals.  The main difference is that (again, assuming you've done ANY research on me) I'm 100% for a hybrid capitalist-socialist economic system.  Mesh the best of the 2 systems and call it it a day.  For someone like Beck - it's his capitalistic/liberterian way, or absolutely, positively no way.
If he sniffs even a hint of socialism from you, you're the enemy.  Hell, he has even publicly stated that he wants all conservatives to move to Texas and have it secede from the union.
I hold no separatist beliefs.  I want this country to come together as one.  Not just tear itself apart along it's seams.
People with differing views aren't enemies.  It takes neo-cons like Rush and Beck to make them enemies.  In that light, isn't he truly the bad guy here?  He's taking good, decent Americans and painting them in a negative light.  Even more than that, he's railing against them as if they are traitors who want to upend this nation.  Last time I checked, I go to work, I pay my taxes, I go to school functions, I "support my local sheriff", I give to the Vietnam Vets, I give to the United Way.  What in there makes me UnAmerican?!
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the fact that I want a liveable wage and want workers to have more power outweighs all of that?!
So I guess you don't mind the tens of millions of working poor.  I guess you don't mind a CEO making 1,000 times more than the menial worker even though they work equally hard in different ways.  I guess you don't mind paying more for microsoft products so that Bill Gates can go from having $50 billion in wealth to $60 billion in wealth.  Oh, I'm sorry...this thread isn't about you...it's about me.
Anyway, to end this nicely - I could very easily say "If Glenn Beck is the average conservative then doesn't that make me right when I say that they are nothing more than a bunch of Fascists and theologists trying to change America to fit their perverted political viewpoint?"
That makes your question a null-in-void argument.  It's too easily turned upside down.
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Sorry brother
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 3:06 PM
this dude takes potshots at me at every turn so I thought it was about time I put him on his self-righteous ass. I am glad that you have handily done so as well.
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One last point asshat
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 3:08 PM
Hitler himself claimed to be devoutly Catholic. The Church supported him and most of his anti-Jewish rhetoric throughout most of the war. So, no. it was not just his minister of Propaganda. Nice try, but again you fail.

1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
2. Adolf Hitler: Thanking God
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
3. Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles
I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
4. Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7
5. Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8
6. Adolf Hitler: Fate of God
But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10
7. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11
8. Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
9. Adolf Hitler: Confidence in God
Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
10. Adolf Hitler: Gold has Replaced God
It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

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You erased a whole post.
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:16 PM
not just a comment. Of course if you remove a post all the comments go with it. You said you could remove comments. You cannot do that independently of removing a post.
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Spiral isn't average
by: nethFebruary 13, 2010 2:23 PM
if you knew what that word meant then maybe just maybe you would know that you need a vast amount of subjects to calculate an average(at least a statistically significant calculation). Which may I add you aren't going to find here.
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And it's getting agonizing to hang out
With grown adults who actually believe
Mythology and history
trump physics and science
My aversion has turned to abhorrence
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I have been on this site almost from the very beginning
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:23 PM
Many of the regulars have also been on this site long term. I have stated quite clearly from the get go that I was a former Christian. A Baptist/Pentecstal specifically. I have never claimed to be Catholic, because quite simply... I have never been Catholic and would have no reason to do so. It makes no sense. Other to someone who like to rave insanely like you. To you, I am sure it makes perfect sense. After all you are the one who believes in magical sky pixies.
As I stated before, I think that being Baptist and especially Pentecostal is about a thousand times worse than being a Catholic, so if I were just going to make shit up (like you do) I would have chosen the lesser of the two evils. But no. I admitted to having bought into a totally racist, sexist, bullshit religion for part of my youth. Sure, as I learned new things about the world I cast aside this ignorance. You on the other hand steadfastly cling to yours.
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I have no argument with you that you can delete Diaries.
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:26 PM
I have never denied that. I simply stated that you cannot delete posts. It didn't even occur to me that you were talking about deleting diaries. You said posts.  
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*[new]Your mind is obviously more devious than mine
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:31 PM
It would have never occurred to me to be dishonest and remove a diary, delete comments, and then repost it. Wow, you are a tricky little thing!
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*[new]I never did
by: spiral115February 13, 2010 2:46 PM
Again. I have claimed to be raised Christian, but never Catholic.
I still claim that we attended Baptist churches when I was growing up, then as I became a teenager I went to Pentecostal churches. Both experiences led me to question the validity of the claim about God. After that I read lots of books on all of the worlds different religions. I read enormous amounts of literature on the early inception of the Christian church, how the present day bible came to be and what actual proof there was for any of it. Years of research and searching led me to the logical conclusion that though religion had started out as an honest attempt to explain the world, its usefulness was long gone. It also led me to the conclusion that all supernatural claims were false. It was especially interesting to me that the more that religious people studied and became scholars, the greater the likelihood they would cast aside supernatural beliefs and just consider the book a fairy tale meant to impart morality.
If you would like to discuss the morality of that book, I'd be happy to do so. I am quite sure I have vastly greater knowledge of it than do you.
Also, if you want to know about my religious upbringing, simply ask. Stop making shit up. It makes you look like a dolt.
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And then he went back and edited:

Find your comment dipshit! I ERASED IT!!! BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY
The quality of your logic is about the same as the quality of McDonald's beef and about as substantive. Really, go ahead. Ask the folks who run the site if you can delete a comment. Also check things out Hitler was a Christian until the day he died. If your little make believe fairy land is true you'll be sharing eternity with him. Then you can ask him directly about his beliefs. As we have seen here though, you won't believe anything that doesn't fit you narrow little world view. You are pathetic.
AFTER FAULTGUY GETS FINISHED ANSWERING MY QUESTION I WILL SAVE THE GUTS OF THE DAIRY IN NOTEPAD, DELETE THE DAIRY AND THEN REPOST THE THE DAIRY UNDER THE SAME NAME... EFFECTIVELY DELETING THE COMMENTS... OR I COULD JUST DO LIKE THE COWARD SPIRAL DOES AND DELETE THE DIARY AND SWEAR UP AND DOWN THAT I NEVER POSTED IT... WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT OLD ATHEIST LIAR? YES I REMOVED THE WHOLE POST COMMENTS INCLUDED... COMMENTS GONE,ERASED, DESTROYED, DELETED... NEVER ERASE YOUR COMMENTS AGAIN AND THEN SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE... YOU HAVE THE MIND OF A CHILD YOU SAID YOU WAS RAISED IN A CATHOLIC HOME (RAISED CATHOLIC), YET YOU ARE AN ATHEIST. HITLER WAS RAISED IN A CATHOLIC HOME AND HE WAS AN ATHEIST JUST LIKE YOU. YOU CAN'T CLAIM HITLER WAS A CATHOLIC BY WHAT RELIGION HIS FAMILY PRACTICED IN HIS YOUTH HITLER AND HIS HEAD OF PROPAGANDA DID USE RELIGION AGAINST HIS PEOPLE TO DUPE THEM INTO FOLLOWING HIS ATHEIST, SOCIALIST PLAN. BUT YOU KNOW THAT AS WELL

Read it and laugh. Yes it looks like the hysterical ravings of a mad man.

So here is a little warning to all the Neocons who want to come here and "just show us a thing or two!" Read the thread referenced by the link above and do not follow it as a template. Think for yourself, offer real unbiased evidence, be civil. If you step out of line and act like an asshat, you are fair game. If you "troll" you will be rated as such. If you lie, it will be revealed.

And... have a nice day.

coming from the right side of the aisle. Ben Sargent is my favorite cartoonist. He capture the political climate and is able to say tons with just a single image. I'd post the picture here but embedding is not enabled from the site.

http://www.gocomics.com/bensar...

I think that we have come to  a very important point in the evolutionary process as a species. Our knowledge of  the world and the universe grows greater all the time. Things that we once saw as magic we now understand at a molecular level. The "magic" of the universe is no less grand for having been explained. With all the new discoveries religion is being pushed back into the dark corners from which it emerged. Religion was an attempt to explain our experiences. It is built on ignorance of the truth. As we chip away at this ignorant proposition we understand more and more. We are better able to make "educated" decisions.  This is the fork in the road before us. We have the path of true enlightenment through real understanding or the path of religious "understanding" through ancient explanations made by ancient people ignorant of the truth.
It is perfectly OK that long ago people struggled to understand the world. They used the limited tools at their disposal to do this. This urge at understanding was healthy. Unfortunately, the true desire to understand got buried by ages of dogma and we find ourselves with a mindless adherence to outdated data. We have exponentially better ways of understanding now, yet many choose to cling to these outdated modes. This is dangerous.
Most folks will use the best information to make their financial decisions. They do not ask shaman or priests how to invest. They will consult a mechanic when their car needs repair not the pastor. When they have a chest pain they call the doctor not the clergy. Why? Practical, real world knowledge. The people that folks consult are trained and equipped with the best, most up to date knowledge. If new info about heart disease is revealed, doctors change their treatment procedures. If a new fuel system comes to light, mechanics learn how to modify and repair per this new knowledge. The reason for this is simple. We accept that there is a stream of new knowledge that often requires us to modify the way we deal with reality. It is healthy, smart, and a good strategy for survival. Now our survival requires that we apply this method and strategy to all aspects of our life.
We have the choice now of continuing to adhere to the dogma of the worlds religions born of darkness and ignorance or following the light of science that has provided us with medicine, agricultural techniques, civic planning, etc. I truly believe that if we continue to let our political decisions be based on religious dogma, then we are doomed as a species.
Look at people like Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Their world views are based on a book that calls for the end of days. A book that requires a bloody end of days war. Islam and Judea are no different. These books are built on prophecies. Most folks have the sense to know that prophecies are silly delusions. They know this except when it comes to religion. We can all look back at the history of religion. We can see the blood, the ignorance, and the persecution it has wrought. Yet we still give it an air of privilege. I say that this is utter folly and that we need to really grow up as a species.We need to elect people to public office that have real intelligence, not bottled morality that comes from immoral teachings. The rabid raving from the right that condemn same sex marriage, abortion, and scientific learning need to creep back into the dark corners from whence they came and stay out of politics.
We are at the crossroads. The world is in the balance. To me the path is clear.